Proper capitalisation of uncle and aunt (A question I couldn't answer on Twisted channel)


I belive that you only capitalise these things when you are using them as a title, that is "Uncle Jack said something", but "my uncle, Jack, said something".

However, what about when it's used as an adjective? That is "my uncle Jack said" which reads very differently than "my Uncle Jack said". The first has "my uncle" modifying Jack, which is the intended nuance, while the second has my modifying "Uncle Jack", which is to say "my Uncle Jack (as distinct from anyone else's Uncle Jack)".

I think there's actually a grammatical error in the "my uncle Jack said" form; the common usage should have the two commas ("my uncle, Jack, said") but putting in the pauses during speach has dropped out of favour because of the frequency of use, so the written form doesn't match what we hear, so looks wrong when we see it written out.

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  1. x

    x on 05/29/2004 9:25 a.m. #


    The rule of thumb seems to be that if you can replace the "uncle jack" phrase with just the name, then it should be capitalised. Uncle is a title in this case, like "mister" or "president". <br />
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    Your examples all make sense above if you do this substitutions, however the sense is (as you suggest) quite different: "my Jack said" vs. "my Uncle Jack said" vs. "my uncle said". <br />
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    That being said, personally I don't think there is an actual "proper" rule for this, only a generally accepted convention. But, there's the rub: personally. What sort of authority is my person? Yeah.<br />
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    Did a bit of searching, as grammar is of some interest to me. Best i could pull up to support my position was this:<br />
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    <a href="http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/cmosfaq/cmosfaq.CapitalizationTitles.html">http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/cmosfaq/cmosfaq.CapitalizationTitles.html</a><br />
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    Note especially the comment on "president of the United States". One could argue it is a title like "Mister", which one might tend to capitalise; but I think it could also be viewed as a title like "president" in that example. While some would contend that you always would capitalise "president" when next to a name such as "President Bozo", I PERSONALLY do not think it is necessary. <br />
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    Luckily since my personal opinion is actually what sets the grammitical rules for this planet (though the majority of the inhabitants don't fully realise it), it doesn't really matter to me what all the grade 4 school teachers in the world think (on this issue).<br />
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    While your comma riddled version is gramatically correct, I do not think the non-comma version is incorrect. Also while I think the lower case non-comma version is correct, I do not think the non-comma upper case instance is incorrect either. <br />
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    In short, it's a point of style, not of rule. At least that's my view (and it seems to be suggested in the Chicago Manual of Style link provided above----so many of the answers come down to opinion). So, it is whatever is proper in your eyes; whatever you feel communicates the sense of your intention the best.<br />
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    Now having set the record straight, the following pages support your view (please note especially the page with the chalkboard and apples, and ask yourself if this is the sort of source of rules you'd like to put yourself under the authority of---though in your case it may very well be!):<br />
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    <a href="http://www.kimskorner4teachertalk.com/writing/conventions/capitalization.html">http://www.kimskorner4teachertalk.com/writing/conventions/capitalization.html</a><br />
    <a href="http://www.udel.edu/eli/g03.html">http://www.udel.edu/eli/g03.html</a><br />
    <a href="http://www.writershome.com/questions/qa-grammar.htm">http://www.writershome.com/questions/qa-grammar.htm</a><br />
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